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Stockholm · Jul 08, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Since everyone seams to be hellbent on disscusing underage drinking

here you go.

Stockholm is out of here.

What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alcohol ads in places where kids are allowed.

Any thoughts on this?

N1ghtstalker · Jul 08, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

yea kinda bad
but what can you do
even sugar is being promoted here
eat sugar, get diabetes
and so on
but maybe it's softened by the name such as "rice wine" and "firewater" some kids don't understand these terms (unless you watched lucky luke when you were very young)

around · Jul 08, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

For my friends, a good night out only ends when most of them are spewing their guts all over the street.

And they don't play Guild Wars.

Johny bravo · Jul 08, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

highschoolers were getting drunk long before guildwars. What do you think about a-net promoting genocide (vanquishing, hunting parties) and mass murder in a game marketed to children 13+?

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible.

GW is very International...in many cultures, alcohol is a common drink for celebrations, funerals, family gatherings ect.
Now, the abuse is a different story. (Drunkard title anyone?)

Bryant Again · Jul 08, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

It's a world of contradictions, and yes it's silly. People just don't see it to be as offensive as someone getting their head chopped off or a girl popping her breasts out (although I'd consider the latter more healthy material than alcohol...)

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It's a world of contradictions, and yes it's silly. People just don't see it to be as offensive as someone getting their head chopped off or a girl popping her breasts out (although I'd consider the latter more healthy material than alcohol...)

Hahahaa!!
Healthy male alert!
It's a game..it's fun..and if the kids have any questions about certain social activities..(drinking, boob shaking, killing toons in a game.)
contact an older sibling, favorite relative, or parent.
have fun with this game..gawds sake..don't over analyse it..there are proffessionals enough trying to do that now as we speak..

toastgodsupreme · Jul 08, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

QQ

Kids aren't as innocent as their parents want to think they are. I'm sure if most parents heard the way their kids talked shit in GW to other players, they'd smack the crap out of their kid.

I don't think we should be minimizing exposure. That's the wrong way to handle these things. Take me for example. I'm 25 and I just about never drink (I think the only time I've actually been drunk was while on vacation in Florida when I was 22). I grew up in a family of alcoholics and learned from their example of what NOT to do. It's about common sense. On the rare occasions I do drink, it's because I'm with friends and it's a social thing.

Teach kids about stuff early. Don't hide things from them in hopes they never find it. Because when (not IF) they do, they'll be more inclined to try it.

Nemo the Capitalist · Jul 08, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alchole ads in places where kids are allowed.

Any thoughts on this?

go to Net Nanny and report this

tbh i reall y dont care ....bad message for kids

good message for big business

Stockholm · Jul 08, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Trub

GW is very International...in many cultures, alcohol is a common drink for celebrations, funerals, family gatherings etc.
Now, the abuse is a different story. (Drunkard title anyone?)

Well. I was thinking more about the Laws in the US, since the game is developed here. I know that in many countries there is no age restrictions on alcohol but we have very strict ones in the US. Parents even being sent to jail for kids having partys at the house with alcohol. So this seams to be very much against what the Americans belive in.

And johnny bravo, you want to talk genocide and mass killings please open your own thread (you can invite G.Bush as guest speaker).

Kusandaa · Jul 08, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

People just don't see it to be as offensive as someone getting their head chopped off or a girl popping her breasts out (although I'd consider the latter more healthy material than alcohol...)

QFT.

I don't know how to phrase my stuff, but here we go anyways...

I feel like parents have a different approach than what I'm used to, in my family and even in my neighborhood. My favorite game to rent, when I was around 10-12, was Mortal Kombat and it was a pretty gory game. I just quickly learned that video games =/= reality... I dunno if kids don't make that distinction anymore or the parents won't even let them look at that kinda stuff, but I have the feeling something's changed in the way they censor stuff.

At peak hours, there are drama shows talking about rape, incest, murder... yesterday it was about drugs and AIDS. But we have people who complain about stuff like violence in the video games... I dunno, but if you let your child watch that show and don't let him to play games like GTA, we have a problem.

Badly phrased, I know... lacking words for what I mean O_o.

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Hypocrisy reigns supreme...use your own judgement in matters of social/cultural balance?

A Leprechaun · Jul 08, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

If there were anything to promote smoking then I would not like it, alchohol isn't an issue, kids will always drink.

~A Leprechuan~

poasiods · Jul 08, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Well. I was thinking more about the Laws in the US, since the game is developed here. I know that in many countries there is no age restrictions on alcohol but we have very strict ones in the US. Parents even being sent to jail for kids having partys at the house with alcohol. So this seams to be very much against what the Americans belive in.

And johnny bravo, you want to talk genocide and mass killings please open your own thread (you can invite G.Bush as guest speaker).

Johnny Bravo was making a point that alcohol in Guild Wars isn't something to be worried about so much as concepts of genocide or mass killing.

Saying "alcohol in game seems to be against what Americans believe in" is a gross over-generalization based only off of U.S.'s rigid drinking law. First of all, plenty of teenagers drink on somewhat frequent basis, and it's very rare to find anyone in college who doesn't drink at least semi-regularly. Minor drinking really isn't that great of a problem unless you're a parent.

Trying to censor or remove alcoholic content (which comprises of clicking on an alcohol and having the screen spin around for three minutes) for the fear of minors drinking is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since I've last been to the suggestion forums.

Orange Milk · Jul 08, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

It's no worse than TV, watch TV one night and count the number of Beer Commercials you see.(Heres a tip: Take your shoes off when you do, you'll be counting higher than 10)

I typically drink while playing, sometimes to the point of not being able to play anymore. I am of legal drinking age.

I have "zero" drunkard points.

I highly doubt that of the 5 mill accounts sold that even 0.00000001% of those people will become future alcoholics because of the booze featured in this game. I know several people, age 18 and under, who are doing everything they can to max their drunkard titles and have yet to ever touch a drop of Alcohol in Real Life.

It's a game people know that, go get a comic book or "worse" yet a graphic novel, those will blow you mind if you are bothered by the actions of a cartoon fantasy video game.

PS There are much worse types of games out there, ala Grand Theft Auto

Snow Bunny · Jul 08, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Because using axes to "Eviscerate" people is so healthy for 12 year olds, right?

Who cares really. If anything, kids learn from GW that alcohol will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you up.

CARE BEAR ALERT

The Super Bowl shows that exposure to alcohol = partying with very cute blondes. Don't know about you, but that's a societal message saying, "GO FOR IT"

morgan · Jul 08, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

yeah, 12 yo kids have enough things around to "promote" alcohol.

Thinking that playing GW will encourage kids to drink is a bit stupid in my opinion, its as bad as saying that playing GTA will make you go out and steal a car then shoot a granny with a shotgun.

Gift3d · Jul 08, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

ANet doesn't rate their games, the ESRB does. On the GW box it says:

Rated Teen for Suggestive Themes, Use of Alcohol, and Violence.

Doesn't look like there's much to be discussed here, when parents buy their kiddies video games they're informed right on the box of what the game has in it.

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

CARE BEAR ALERT

Vouch.

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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when parents buy their kiddies video games

Hate to say it..most of the kiddies buy games with their own credit card..or go 5 finger discount...

**cosyfiep** · Jul 08, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

its not a good idea....but there are other things in gw that I have issues with as well....but thats another thread altogether